2008 Freightliner Columbia With Detroit 14l S60 Engine Review

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Posted 7/4/2012 12:34 (#2466086) Subject: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

western iowa

We've been running 12.7 litres in a couple erstwhile FLD120 grain haulers. Would like to update ane to a newer Columbia but all they have are 14L. Nosotros have been told to avoid the mercedes motors. Starting to feel like nosotros accept no expert options. The Pretender

Posted vii/4/2012 12:38 (#2466101 - in answer to #2466086) Subject: RE: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

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Well-nigh of our grain gets hauled away with Mercedes trucks. I'm not certain how many trucks they have, but the one I loaded today was pulling trailer number 38. I have fifty-fifty asked the drivers well-nigh the engine troubles I hear virtually here then often and they never know what I'thousand talking about j deere

Posted vii/four/2012 13:41 (#2466207 - in reply to #2466086) Discipline: RE: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

i dont remember the 14L is a MB engine.
the new ones are 11,13,xv and 16L and they are still more DD i would say.

that MB 4000 12L is a strait Mercedes-Benz.

eddiedry

Posted vii/4/2012 xiv:09 (#2466246 - in reply to #2466086) Discipline: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

For sake of time, let's just say I'll never ain another i! bsf

Posted seven/4/2012 14:36 (#2466291 - in reply to #2466086) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

nwks

if u can observe a pre-emission 14L its the best motor ever a emission 14L aint besides bad take had good luck with our emission 14L simply my detroit/ mercedes dealer says to run from whatever mercedes motor, they say you will just take less trouble with a detroit for a farm truck eddiedry

Posted 7/four/2012 17:15 (#2466575 - in reply to #2466291) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

Never heard of a pre-emission 14L, unless you're referring to a 12.seven.
bsf

Posted 7/4/2012 17:21 (#2466586 - in reply to #2466575) Subject area: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

nwks

they made them for a yr or year and one-half eddiedry

Posted seven/4/2012 18:17 (#2466677 - in answer to #2466586) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

I wasn't aware of that, but I have seen some ISX's without EGR then I guess information technology's plausible. 8320farmer

Posted 7/4/2012 18:32 (#2466696 - in answer to #2466086) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Eastward primal Indiana

Nosotros accept a Columbia with a 14l Detroit and is a great truck also take one with an isx cummins I adopt the Detroit. Although I prefer are internationals. The freightliners are for auction if interested emails good. illfarmr

Posted vii/4/2012 21:26 (#2466983 - in reply to #2466291) Discipline: 2nd the RUN FAST & FAR from the Mercedes

Fundamental Illinois

MBE4000. Maybe on short hauls, but OTR they are big failures. rank

Posted seven/4/2012 21:54 (#2467035 - in respond to #2466696) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

SEON

We had a big Detroit in a 2000 Sterling. It was 500 hp and I think information technology was 14L. We bought it used and ran information technology until information technology had over a million miles on it. Burned oil simply that was all. eddiedry

Posted seven/iv/2012 22:08 (#2467068 - in reply to #2467035) Bailiwick: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

The 14L didn't come out until the 04 models. Your 2000 would take been a 12.seven, one of the meliorate years even.
rank

Posted 7/iv/2012 22:35 (#2467125 - in reply to #2467068) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

SEON

eddiedry - seven/four/2012 22:08
The 14L didn't come out until the 04 models. Your 2000 would have been a 12.7, 1 of the ameliorate years fifty-fifty.

are you certain virtually that? pretty sure it wasn't a 12.7. eddiedry

Posted 7/4/2012 22:44 (#2467146 - in reply to #2467125) Discipline: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

12.7 and 11.i were the only DDA'due south in road tractors from early on ninety'due south to 03. We accept a couple of 03'southward and they were the last 12.7's DDECIII's gostate

Posted 7/4/2012 23:49 (#2467286 - in reply to #2467146) Subject field: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

western iowa

Just to be clear does anyone know what years and/or series numbers to look for 14L without EGR? Practice the EGR 14L motors just fire more fuel or are they a less reliable motor besides? We're kinda International & Freightliner guys so there doesnt seem to exist a lot of choices out there. There are a lot of columbias with 14L'due south though. If theres a amend motor (or truck) we should look for I'm all ears. eddiedry

Posted 7/5/2012 11:27 (#2467854 - in reply to #2467286) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

Nosotros couldn't get but @4-iv.half dozen mpg out of the 14L's as opposed to 6.5-7.2 with the 12.7'due south. We never got past 500K on the 14L's as opposed to nigh of our 12.7's going a 1000000 plus on OH's.PS: Our 14L's were EGR, I've never seen a non-EGR 14L.PSII: Your best pick would exist a glider truck with a remaned 12.seven DDECIII IMO.

Edited by eddiedry seven/5/2012 11:33

bsf

Posted 7/v/2012 11:38 (#2467865 - in respond to #2467286) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

nwks

I think the merely year was 04

The intake is black on egr with a stainless steel crossover pipe for hot air

Non egr is unpainted alum intake

bsf

Posted seven/5/2012 11:46 (#2467874 - in respond to #2467854) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

nwks

Not really a grain hualer only fourteen l non egr

So years must exist 03- early o4

rank

Posted 7/5/2012 12:46 (#2467958 - in reply to #2467146) Subject area: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

SEON

eddiedry - 7/4/2012 22:44

12.7 and eleven.1 were the only DDA's in route tractors from early 90's to 03. We have a couple of 03's and they were the last 12.7's DDECIII's

That may be where we are getting our wires crossed. Mine was a series 60. This is a quote from Wiki:

"Series sixty 14-liter
In 2001 a larger stroke crankshaft increased the engine volume to fourteen Fifty (854 cu in), the power increased to 575 hp (429 kW) and torque increased to i,850 pound force-feet (2,510 N·chiliad)."

RodInNS

Posted 7/v/2012 17:18 (#2468330 - in reply to #2467958) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

All of Detroit'south 6 cylinder truck engines past some point in the belatedly 80's were known as 'Series 60'. This included the original eleven.1 50 engine and the 12.7L that followed it. They also accept a 4 cylinder version of this engine known as "Series 50'.
DDECIII relates to the engine control revision level.
They started with DDEC (Detroit Diesel Electronic Control), then proceeded through DDECII, DDECIII and then on... Detroit pioneered the use of electronic engine control on diesel truck engines.

Rod

rank

Posted 7/5/2012 17:43 (#2468381 - in reply to #2468330) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

SEON

ok thanks. At any rate, it appears we had a 2001 Sterling with a 14L Detroit and information technology was a good motor that went over a million while nosotros had it. eddiedry

Posted 7/five/2012 xviii:43 (#2468469 - in reply to #2468381) Subject field: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

Wheatley, Arkansas

Sorry, but you had a 500 hp 12.7 DDetroit, the 14L's were 515 hp, no 500's in the 14L. All of the above are 60 serial engines. rank

Posted 7/5/2012 19:59 (#2468598 - in answer to #2468469) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

SEON

eddiedry - 7/five/2012 18:43Sorry, but you had a 500 hp 12.seven DDetroit, the 14L's were 515 hp, no 500'south in the 14L. All of the above are 60 serial engines.

It said 14 50 correct on the sticker on the engine. I distinctly recall that it was 14L because I didn't know they made them. Why is information technology so difficult to believe?

Edited by rank seven/5/2012 20:01

bsf

Posted 7/5/2012 20:05 (#2468604 - in reply to #2468598) Field of study: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

nwks

Kinda off subject field but I learned the other day that before the lx series came out they had ddec 8v92's at present that would have been a sugariness engine...simply I dearest what anybody else calls underdogs. gostate

Posted 7/v/2012 22:07 (#2468849 - in reply to #2466086) Subject: RE: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

western iowa

Thanks for all the input guys. I was hoping to hear "The 14 litres are peachy, go ahead!" But I'g definately not getting that. SO...........What motor should we look for in a 2005 or later Freightliner or International? ISX? We will ever go for the bigger diplacement motors (no ISM's). I'm not wild about going down the Cat route. Thanks for the help. RodInNS

Posted 7/5/2012 22:xv (#2468867 - in reply to #2468604) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

I'1000 not certain if they developed DDEC for the 8V92 bus engine originally.... or if they adapted after they came out with the lx series. Kinda retrieve they adapted it to the 8V92 afterwards...
There'southward still a lot of them on the road. Really, I remember they all the same brand them or did until recently.

Rod

RodInNS

Posted 7/5/2012 22:twenty (#2468882 - in respond to #2468849) Subject: RE: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

It's basically come to the time and place where if you want a FreightShaker chassis y'all're getting either a Detroit or Benz engine. They were using some Cummins stuff in the Western Star's... but I don't know if they utilize the Cummins in the Freightliner box anymore.
Navistar is using their own rebranded Cats now...

Really, if you want 205 or newer y'all're walking into emission territory, like it or not. If y'all similar Detroits, get a Detroit and cross your fingers the same as all the residuum of us exercise with whatsoever we buy...

If you're not into the finger crossing thing.... reman an older truck and go on on truckin.

Rod

SHAMUSHUFFLE

Posted 6/25/2019 02:16 (#7580285 - in reply to #2466677) Subject: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

I bought a pre-EGR detroit 14 litre for my 2000 KW W900 in March of 2000. Its ratings are 1850 fpt, 550 hp. They only made them for a few years. It's the best engine I've ever used. We still have the truck and rebuilt the motor at United Engines Oklahoma Metropolis in 2014 @ 1,217,000 miles mainly considering of a caput gasket leak. Information technology's been an awesome engine that outperformed just about everything else on the road. The Detroit store routinely misordered parts for a 12.7 litre and had some sort of glitch with their estimator that misidentified our engine. Nosotros had to repeatedly scold them for taking too much time for repairs due to the fact that they kept ordering parts for the wrong engine. Their computers still misidentify our engine'south vin# with a 12.7 and had them tell us that our engine's vin# has been misclassified. I would have to bear witness them the engine plate ID and they were shocked each time. Don't be surprised that the engine manufacturer has a corrupted database and will non accept much information about this model sixty detroit which is rare and fifty-fifty rarer to be found in a kenworth. SHAMUSHUFFLE

Posted 6/25/2019 02:xix (#7580286 - in answer to #2467286) Subject field: Re: how bad are the 14L Detroits?

I'll try to take a picture of my engine's ID plate and post it. Information technology'southward a 2000 model 14L 550hp 1850 fpt detroit, pre-EGR. Crawly engine.

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